Work with Purpose | Podcast series

Welcome to this week's Work with Purpose episode, which explores the important role the Australian Public Service and supporting organisations are playing in the Government’s response to and recovery from the COVID-19 pandemic. Work with Purpose is produced in a partnership between contentgroup and IPAA ACT, with the support of the Australian Public Service Commission.

'AN EXTRAORDINARY APS' WITH THE AUSTRALIAN CENTRE FOR INTERNATIONAL AGRICULTURAL RESEARCH

One might not necessarily associate an APS career with building fish ladders along the Mekong river to facilitate upstream fish passage and feed millions of people who rely on this important protein. Or measuring soil moisture to inform farmers exactly when, and how much to water their crops. Or developing climate-smart livestock product systems to improve overall livestock health and reduce greenhouse gas emissions. These are just some of the extraordinary projects the perhaps lesser known Australian Centre for International Agricultural Research (ACIAR) are leading, in partnership with academia, industry and international governments, to improve the lives and livelihoods of developing communities across the globe, as well as back home in Australia.

In this special episode of ‘Work with Purpose – Global Perspectives’, ACIAR’s Chief Executive Officer, Andrew Campbell, leads an awe-inspiring discussion with ACIAR Research Program Managers: Dr Ann Fleming, Fisheries, Dr Anna Okello, Livestock Systems, and Dr Robyn Johnston, Water and Climate.

Transcript - a full transcript of the podcast is available here.
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Podcast resources - see below links to further information on the projects and topics discussed in the podcast.

ACIAR – what we do
Graduate Program
Coral Reef Restoration
One Health
Virtual Irrigation Academy
Biosecurity
SDIP in the Eastern Gangetic Plains
Fish ladders in the Mekong
Pearl industry development in the Pacific

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	EP#16: Road to recovery with Jane Halton AO PSM \| 20 July 2020 Our guest for this episode is Jane Halton AO PSM, Commissioner at the National COVID-19 Coordination Commission. During her 33 years in the Australian Public Service, Jane served for 15 years as Secretary of the Departments of Finance and Health (and Ageing); as well as Chair of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation’s Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations, and has held significant roles in Global Health Governance including as Chair of the board of the World Health Organisation. Listen here.
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	EP#2: Relationships Matter with Andrew Metcalfe AO \| 15 April 2020 Secretary of the Department of Agriculture, Water and the Environment, Andrew Metcalfe AO, provides his COVID-19 response insights, including collaboration with industry and the inspiration he gets every day from working with his fellow public servants on this major crisis. Listen here.
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	EP#27: 'Strong Teams, Strong Institutions' with Rosemary Huxtable PSM and Chris Moraitis PSM \| 19 October 2020 In this episode we are joined by Rosemary Huxtable PSM, Secretary of the Department of Finance and Chris Moraitis PSM, Secretary of the Attorney-General's Department. From their unique perspectives leading the teams that underpin much of Government services, they talk candidly about the challenges of navigating uncertain times, and share their pride in the strength of their people and the institutions they support. Listen here.
	EP#26: 'Making the Lives of Australian Citizens Easier' with Ailsa Borwick, Jason Lucchese and Helen Bailey \| 12 October 2020 How do you cut a government form down from 164 questions to 10 without losing the rigour? How can you leverage existing business information systems to take the hassle out of payroll and superannuation guarantees? In this episode we hear from Helen Bailey, Manager of the Public Sector Innovation Network, and 2020 Public Sector Innovation Award winner representatives, Ailsa Borwick from Services Australia and Jason Lucchese from the ATO. Listen here.
	EP#25: 'Australia's Bright Future' with Andy Penn \| 6 October 2020 The ways we work have changed drastically, yet according to Telstra Chief Executive Officer, Andy Penn, it’s only just getting started. Australians have adopted digital technologies at an unprecedented pace during COVID-19. This has delivered benefits including mitigating skills shortages, improved work-life balance and increased workforce satisfaction. In this episode, Andy speaks about how Australia is well placed to capture a bright digital future. Listen here.
	EP#24: 'Last Drinks' with Drew Baker, Caroline Walsh and Carmel McGregor PSM \| 28 September 2020 Drew Baker’s transformative term as Chief Executive Officer of IPAA ACT, was one of energy, strategy and opportunism. After more than five years in the role, he left the organisation in great hands, with a capable new CEO excited to take IPAA from strength to strength. In this episode, Drew is joined by his successor Caroline Walsh, and Carmel McGregor PSM, former IPAA ACT Deputy President and former Deputy Secretary. Listen here.
	EP#23: 'Keeping up with JobKeeper' with Dr Steven Kennedy PSM and Matt Comyn \| 21 September 2020 In this unmissable episode, Dr Steven Kennedy PSM, Secretary of The Treasury, and Matt Comyn, CEO of the Commonwealth Bank of Australia, is joined in conversation with Jessica Irvine, the Senior Economics Writer for The Sydney Morning Herald and The Age. Listen here.
	EP#22: 'A Purpose-driven public service' with Philip Gaetjens and Eleanor Kay \| 14 September 2020 Philip Gaetjens, Secretary of the Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet (PM&C) talks about how the collaboration across federal, state and territory lines is heightened, and is set to continue as the APS looks to strengthen its culture of communications and data sharing to support effective service delivery. Philip is joined by PM&C Graduate, Eleanor Kay. Listen here.
	Work with Purpose - Global Perspectives with Bernadette Welch PSM \| 7 September 2020 IPAA’s National President, Dr Gordon de Brouwer PSM, is joined by Bernadette Welch PSM, who has held numerous roles across the Australian Public Service, including Head of Operations for Australia’s G20 Presidency in the Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet, and until recently, was the Permanent Secretary for Health and Medical Services, Government of Fiji. Listen here.
	EP#21: 'Parliament powers on' with Rob Stefanic and Cate Saunders \| 31 August 2020 In this episode we speak with the Secretary of the Department of Parliamentary Services, Rob Stefanic, and Deputy Secretary Cate Saunders, about how their team joined in the APS whole-of-government effort to help the Australian people. Listen here.
	Work with Purpose - A National Perspective with Erma Ranieri \| 27 August 2020 In this special episode, Erma Ranieri, the Commissioner for Public Sector Employment, South Australian Government, talks about how the South Australian public service has responded to the pandemic and is working to strengthen the resilience of its workforce. Listen here.
	EP#20: Let's Stick Together with Steve Worrall and Dr Larry Marshall \| 24 August 2020 In this episode, which was recorded during National Science Week, we bring together Steve Worrall, Managing Director of Microsoft Australia and Dr Larry Marshall, Chief Executive at CSIRO, who have been working in Australia’s best interests since well before the beginning of the pandemic. Listen here.
	Work with Purpose - A National Perspective with Dave Stewart \| 20 August 2020 In this special episode, Dave Stewart, Director-General of the Department of the Premier and Cabinet of the Queensland Government, talks about how the public service has come together to support the Premier, Cabinet and Ministers in managing the COVID-19 health and economic crises. Listen here.
	EP#19: Keeping it Simple with Chris Jordan AO \| 17 August 2020 In this episode, we speak with Chris Jordan AO who has driven major change in the Australian Taxation Office (ATO) since assuming the position of Commissioner in 2013. In Chris' view, the cultural “reinvention’’ of the ATO over the past seven years has prepared the organisation to deal with the challenges of COVID-19. Listen here.
	EP#18: Future Leaders with Katherine Jones PSM - The APS in 2021 \| 10 August 2020 This episode features a conversation with Katherine Jones PSM, the Associate Secretary of the Department of Defence, Matt McMahon, the Assistant Commissioner at the Australian Electoral Commission, and IPAA Future Leaders who undertook a hackathon to explore the question “What could, or should the APS look like one year from now?” Listen here.
	Work with Purpose - A National Perspective with Sharyn O'Neill \| 3 August 2020 In this special episode of 'Work with Purpose - A National Perspective' IPAA National President, Dr Gordon de Brouwer PSM, is joined by WA Public Sector Commissioner and State Recovery Controller, Sharyn O’Neill, who shares her experience and insights on Western Australia’s COIVD-19 response and recovery. Listen here.
	EP#17: Oceans-19 with Michael Pezzullo AO \| 27 July 2020 In this episode we're joined by Michael Pezzullo AO, Secretary of the Department of Home Affairs, who recalls how by age 11 he had already decided on a career of public service, describes the inspiration he gets from working with our political leaders, and his desire to leave the APS in a better place than when he started. Listen here.
	EP#16: Road to recovery with Jane Halton AO PSM \| 20 July 2020 Our guest for this episode is Jane Halton AO PSM, Commissioner at the National COVID-19 Coordination Commission. During her 33 years in the Australian Public Service, Jane served for 15 years as Secretary of the Departments of Finance and Health (and Ageing); as well as Chair of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation’s Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations, and has held significant roles in Global Health Governance including as Chair of the board of the World Health Organisation. Listen here.
	EP#15: Under pressure with Rebecca Skinner \| 13 July 2020 Rebecca Skinner, Chief Executive Officer of Services Australia, shares her memories of the earliest days of the COVID-19 crisis and how she prepared her team to not just cope, but thrive. She reflects on the importance of sharing the load, taking it one day at a time and always remembering that no matter how bad things looked, the sun would always rise the next morning. Listen here.
	EP#14: Food for thought with Ray Griggs AO CSC and Letitia Hope \| 6 July 2020 In this episode we speak with the leaders of the National Indigenous Australians Agency, Chief Executive Officer Ray Griggs AO CSC, and Deputy Chief Executive Officer Letitia Hope. We explore the decisions, partnerships and networks that were deployed to keep the people in, and the virus out, of our most remote communities. Listen here.
	EP#13: Need drives innovation with David Fredericks PSM and Dr Michele Bruniges AM \| 29 June 2020 David Fredericks PSM, Secretary of the Department of Industry, Science, Energy and Resources, and Dr Michele Bruniges AM, Secretary of the Department of Education, Skills and Employment, reflect on the power of collective work and reaching out to colleagues in an open and transparent way. Listen and watch here.
	EP#12: Doing the basics well with Michael Manthorpe PSM, Grant Hehir and Angelene Falk \| 22 June 2020 In this episode we speak with three APS leaders about the importance of integrity and its impact on citizens: Michael Manthorpe PSM, the Commonwealth Ombudsman, Grant Hehir, the Auditor-General of Australia, and Angelene Falk, the Australian Information Commissioner and Privacy Commissioner. Listen here.
	EP#11: The dynamic duo with Professor Brendan Murphy and Caroline Edwards \| 15 June 2020 This episode features the tireless leaders of 'Team Health' in a remarkable discussion that covers their personal and professional experiences and insights during the COVID-19 crisis: Professor Brendan Murphy, the Chief Medical Officer and Caroline Edwards, the acting Secretary of the Department of Health. Listen here.
	EP#10: How ASIO managed during a major global health crisis with Mike Burgess \| 9 June 2020 Mike Burgess, Director-General of Security at the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation, joins us to discuss how the work of ASIO changed during the COVID-19 pandemic. Listen here.
	Work with Purpose - A National Perspective with Chris Eccles AO \| 5 June 2020 In this special episode IPAA’s National President Dr Gordon de Brouwer PSM, sits down with Chris Eccles AO, Secretary of the Department of Premier and Cabinet, to discuss how the Victorian government has led the state through crisis to recovery. Listen here.
	EP#9: Fighting crime during COVID-19 with Reece Kershaw APM and Michael Outram APM \| 2 June 2020 Reece Kershaw APM, Commissioner of the Australian Federal Police, Michael Outram APM, Commissioner of the Australian Border Force, talk about the challenges of enforcing values and meeting community expectations, and what they have done to minimise the impact of criminals in Australia and from overseas. Listen here.
	EP#8: Defence - Here to help with Greg Moriarty and General Angus Campbell AO DSC \| 25 May 2020 Greg Moriarty, Secretary of the Department of Defence, and General Angus Campbell AO DSC, Chief of the Australian Defence Force, discuss how the collaborative business model developed during the bushfire crisis has shaped Defence's contribution to the COVID-19 pandemic, and into the future. Listen here.
	EP#7: Small is Beautiful with Rebecca Cross and Katy Haire \| 18 May 2020 Rebecca Cross, the ACT Coordinator-General for the COVID-19 Response, and Katy Haire, Director-General at the ACT Education Directorate, discuss the links between public service and business, the ACT government’s priorities during the pandemic and working as one government. Listen here.
	EP#6: Communicate, Communicate, Communicate with Cheryl-anne Moy \| 12 May 2020 Cheryl-anne Moy, Deputy Secretary and Chief Operating Officer at the Department of Home Affairs, shares personal reflections and learnings from the public sector’s, and her team’s response to COVID-19. Listen here.
	EP#5: Making Good Decisions in a Time of Overload with Frances Adamson \| 4 May 2020 In this episode, which has been produced as both a podcast and a video, we are joined by Frances Adamson, Secretary of the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade. We are also joined by Holly Noble as co-host, who is Chair of IPAA's Future Leaders Committee and a Director at the Department of Finance. Listen and watch here.
	EP#4: Citizens First with Kathryn Campbell AO CSC \| 28 April 2020 Kathryn Campbell AO CSC, Secretary of the Department of Social Services, shares insights on managing the massive workforce surge and how being part of the COVID-19 response will benefit the public sector in the future. Listen here.
	EP#3: The New Normal with Elizabeth Kelly PSM \| 20 April 2020 Elizabeth Kelly PSM, Deputy Secretary at the Department of Industry, Science, Energy and Resources, provides recent cross-agency case studies that resolve complex COVID-related challenges and discusses what the “new normal” may look like after the pandemic. Listen here.
	EP#2: Relationships Matter with Andrew Metcalfe AO \| 15 April 2020 Secretary of the Department of Agriculture, Water and the Environment, Andrew Metcalfe AO, provides his COVID-19 response insights, including collaboration with industry and the inspiration he gets every day from working with his fellow public servants on this major crisis. Listen here.
	EP#1: COVID-19 response accelerating reform of the Australian Public Service with Peter Woolcott AO and Katherine Jones PSM \| 6 April 2020 APS Commissioner Peter Woolcott AO and Katherine Jones PSM, Deputy Secretary of the Department of Finance, reflect on their respective roles during the COVID-19 response. Listen here.